Here are some observations:
- Edwards should have been stripped of his win IMMEDIATELY, then placed as the last driver on the lead lap. Reed Sorenson would have then been given the win, as he was in second at the time.
- Google "Carl Edwards anger issues" and you'll find 18,400 matches about Edwards, his conflicts with Cup teammate Matt Kenseth, and other Cup drivers besides Keselowski.
- The postrace interview with ESPN was telling. Edwards didn't exactly deny he did it deliberately. He was unapologetic as to how he won. It's like the fox being queried by the farmer about the chickens and the fox saying the coop door was open when he got there.
- Edwards is/will be a marked man for the rest of the season. Not only by Keselowski, but Kurt Busch and possibly Kevin Harvick, other drivers that Edwards has had issues with.
- Could this go much deeper? Meaning a Jack Roush vs. Roger Penske feud? Kurt Busch (Penske driver) used to drive for Roush back in the day, even winning a Cup title for him back in 2004. But he was run from Roush unceremoniously. Just saying.
Chickenshit Carl, hope you're happy with the win. If things balance out, it'll be your last win for awhile.
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Well Jon:
This was one of the races I stayed awake for the entire race. Edwards did in fact get Brad loose earlier in order to pass him. Brad did return the favor (Slight tap to move him over) a few laps later in order to pass Edwards.
However, Edwards did in fact near the finish line purposely turn down into him to wreck him. There wa no need to hit Brad that hard and cause the damage he did to the rest of the field.
Yep Edwards needs his butt fined for this one and NASCAR had better not say any thing to Brad if it happens either. Edwards has it coming.
Chickens--t is the perfect word to describe Carl. He pulled the dirtiest move a driver can make.... turning into someone's right rear tire, which turns them head on into the wall! Plenty of feuds, fights, and free-for-alls have went down at the local short tracks over that move.
He thought it was over when he sailed BK at Atlanta... because he got the last lick in. He probably thinks the same thing now... because he got the last lick in. I hope it's not over.
To do it in front of a bunched up (GWC) field, coming to the checker is total C.S!!!!
As I said in the Trifecta blog-
If Carl continues to bring a gun to a fist fight, it won't be long before BK, KB, or Kevin show up with a Howitzer. Personally, I can't wait :o). I'm sure Carl will b***h and moan that it wasn't fair, but hey, he has it coming.
PARK CARL!!!
Photogr, what Edwards did WAS indefensible, but what really struck me and pissed me off was the smug arrogance he showed at the postrace interview. I think if BK has a chance to take Carl out and cause him to miss the Chase, he's going to take that chance. What Kevin Harvick said earlier in the season about Edwards being a fake and a phony rings true IMO.
Gene, Chickenshit Carl gives that look of "Gee, what's the fuss", followed by a shit-eating grin. Then he DEFENDS his actions!! I wouldn't have blamed Mr. K ONE BIT if he had gone into Victory Lane and took care of Edwards himself. Hell, I'd give him a medal for that! That's the SECOND time he's pulled that crap this season! If I were a major sponsor such as AFLAC or Scotts, I'd consider pulling my sponsorship from Edwards and Roush Fenway Racing.
SB, I can see Kevin coming with a howitzer in the form of a solid right hook to the jaw if Carl costs him a championship because of a bonehead/dirty maneuver. He's been the only driver that has stood up to Chickenshit Carl so far. Carl SHOULD be parked for two Cup races!
Chickenshit! never heard anyone else use that word except for my ex-husband and would have added SOB to the end of it!LOL
I missed it but of course it's already on Youtube. Those announcers were as shocked as we were when Carl hit Brad, but then they start analyzing it, saying it was the last lap, and blah blah blah blah blah!
Athens-
In fairness to the commentators, Rusty did say that NASCAR needs to have a little chat with Carl because this went beyond "boys, have at it." It was the only intelligent thing he said all night.
Speaking of commentators, I thoroughly enjoyed the other two guys in the booth last night. It would have been perfect if they had left Rusty at home.
I guess there's bore than one way to skin a cat... Carl will get his due. I firmly believe what goes around comes around. I just hope nobody gets hurt in the process. I saw an interview with Brad's Dad. He was VERY upset and talking retribution. The comment about "trying to kill my boy" (paraphasing) realy struck home.
Thanks Jon.
Beverly, I hadn't used that word in a LONG time until now. Edwards' actions merited use of the word. I commented on Sal's article on Facebook and seems like ALL the Edwards lovers and apologists came out of the woodwork!
SB, I did too. I'm with you, I just wished (C)Rusty had been left home.
Dwindy, no problem. As a result, I think Edwards will miss the Chase. He's going to struggle at tracks he normally does well at, and he'll really struggle at Indy.
Yes, BK did get into Carl but the difference was BK didn't send him into the wall, let Carl collect the car and then raced on - seemed like a fair racing deal to me.
Then we all know what Carl does - takes any touch as permission to wreck BK - again drove BK into the wall with not just a touch and no chance for BK to gather it back up.
From what I am reading today NASCAR is poo pooing this as hard racing and will not do anything to Carl.
While I would love to see BK and Kurt gang up on Carl and punt his arse, I worry that if this gets any more blatant someone will get seriously injured or killed.
Hey, just thought of something - I am member of the NASCAR fan council and I get to advice them 2x a month - guess what I'll be emailing about!!
Hey Kristen, here's a thought for you to pass on to NASCAR-
We all know that fines, loss of points, and probation don't mean a thing (unless you're Carl Long, but that's another story), so here's my idea.
If you INTENTIONALLY wreck someone, then you and your team owner have to pay for all the cars that were damaged because of your actions. Someone on another website pointed out that a lot of the cars that got caught up in melee don't necessarily have the resources to pay for a trashed chassis because some other driver(usually for a well funded team) decided to take revenge on another. If Jack and Carl had to pay for every car that was damaged as a result of Carl's aggression- past, present, or future- I have no doubt that Jack would put a leash on Carl.
And to make sure that everything is on the up and up, have the incident reviewed by an independent arbiter that owes no allegiance to either NASCAR or the teams.
I think it's time for Carl to see a shrink, and maybe spend some time in the Funny Farm. "Ah, shucks", just doesn't cut it anymore. I agree with Harvick, Edwards is a phony. ...and maybe a threat to society in general?
Kristen, the sound you hear is crickets chirping. I'd love to hear your input on the fan council!
SB, you have sound ideas. I especially like the idea of having the driver and owner having to pay for ALL the damaged cars caused as a result of the driver intentionally wrecking another car.
CR, perhaps Chickenshit Carl should be drug tested for roids. Or perhaps take anger management classes. If he's caught the first time, he's parked for half a season. Second time would be a full season. Third time would be a lifetime ban, with a review after the first year. You brought to mind Harvick's call for open drug testing and him offering to be the first driver to be tested.
Harvick was on with Dave Despain Sunday night. He said Carl went way overboard. He couldn't believe how calm Kez took it afterwards. Said if it had been him, he would have punched Carl in the jaw.
I couldnt believe how calm BK was either in the post race video up on NASCAR.com. Maybe BK didn't experience the violence of the wreck vs how violent it looked on TV? I dunno, his PR guy isn't that good!
While I would love to see teams pay for the carnage they produce when intentionally wrecking people...to play devils advocate - no way would NASCAR ever let an independent council make decisions for them and how to assess intent? If Carl knew there were penalties for it, he wouldn't have admitted to it.
I think "Have At It Boys" is going to come back to haunt NASCAR. Clearly Carl's judgment is in question and his ability to finesse a wreck is completely absent. I don't think Carl needs 'roids to be his high strung, agro self (funny how Kurt/Kyle never get accused of roid use despite their anger! LOL) and nothing but hitting him where it hurts will make a difference - not even anger management - he's got to sit a Cup race or two.
I'd like to play devil's advocate here, if I may...
Cast your minds back last season in the NW series and remember how often the 88 kept taking out, on purpose, the 20? I do hope your anger Saturday night matches what it was then. Remember also how Denny spun Brad in the final race (after telling the world he was going to) and how the entire 88 bunch laughed at how pathetic it was that Hamlin couldn't even pay them back properly since the 88 didn't even touch the wall?
Do you recall what instigated the whole thing? I reckon it was that Charlotte race (2008...or was it 2007? the one Dale Jr was in as well anyway) when Denny said something about "you throw a rock, I'll throw a concrete block". Did that one incident give Brad the right to keep on wrecking the 20 once he'd paid him back once?
I'm not sure we'd be even talking about this had the 22 not got crushed over the finish line.
I agree with you Tez in principle - which is why BK was probably so calm since he is well aware he plays rough on the playground too...but there is something about the violent nature of the wrecks Carl is involved in...why does it seem like the wrecks he is in or causes are the worst?
I'm not sure Carl knows how to bump and run properly, klv....and he can't exactly go and ask Kenseth given their history, lol
Don't get me wrong, I was stunned at what happened at the end, couldn't believe my eyes. Rubbing is racing, yeah sure...but dumping isn't cool and never has been. But until the big wigs decide to seriously crack down on it (and I ain't talking about fifty owner points and a ten buck fine), I'm afraid this sort of thing won't stop anytime soon :(
The stuff that was going on between Denny and Kez in 2008 was hard racing, and rough driving. I can't recall BK turning Denny into the wall head on. Now... he has done that to Algaier... on a straightaway.
I don't like either one, but I have to respect the tremendous driving talent that Kez has. And, after Denny, and Carl at Atlanta, wrecked him he did not whine the least little bit. I like that.
Gene, I have NO doubt that Harvick would punch Edwards in the jaw if he were punted a la BK. Two years ago, Harvick body slammed Edwards on the hood of one of his Nationwide cars and was about to punch his lights out when several of his crew members separated the two.
Kristen, BK may be calm now, but you can surely bet that payback is coming. And if Edwards is on the bubble of the Chase, BK WILL make sure Edwards DOESN'T make the Chase. (And that's FINE with me.) As has been said, payback's a BITCH, and Edwards will be on the receiving end of it. While I'm not a BK fan per se, I have no animus towards him.
Tez, I remember the contretemps between the 20 and 88, when Kez was driving the 88. The two crews practically had a full-scale brawl after a Nationwide race at Charlotte.
It will be interesting to see what happens the next few races with these two. I would imagine NASCAR will be watching them too.
Too bad I am an old fart now. If that happened to me racing, I would have punted Carl over or through the fence in the next race.
Photogr, I expect BK to pay back Carl at some point before the Chase, particularly if Carl's on the bubble.
I'd forgotten about the brawl, that was funny as heck! Mainly since none of my guys were involved, lol ;)
Tez, even Dale Jr was involved--as the 88's owner, he bumped Hamlin (the driver of the 20 at the time) roughly several times under a caution. (Jr was driving the 5 car at the time.)
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